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Devuan - the GNU/Linux by Veteran Unix Admins

29 stu 2014, 18:48

https://devuan.org/

https://github.com/devuan

Ukratko..... fork Debiana sa ciljem da se ostane sto blize UNIX filozofiji: Radi jednu stvar i radi je dobro. Prvi cilj im je maknuti systemd

What Devuan should be then? is it really a fork?

This is just the start of a process, as bold as it sounds to call it a fork of Debian. This exodus is ultimately being a relief for some of us and should lead to the creation a peaceful space for work we are well able to do. To help with this adventure and its growth, we ask you to get involved, but also to donate money so that we can cover the costs of setting the new infrastructure in place.

Devuan aims to be a base distribution whose mission is protect the freedom of its community of users and developers. Its priority is to enable diversity, interoperability and backward compatibility for existing Debian users and downstream distributions willing to preserve Init freedom.

Devuan will derive its own installer and package repositories from Debian, modifying them where necessary, with the first goal of removing systemd, still inheriting the Debian development workflow while continuing it on a different path: free from bloat as a minimalist base distro should be. Our objective for the spring of 2015 is that users will be able to switch from Debian 7 to Devuan 1 smoothly, as if they would dist-upgrade to Jessie, and start using our package repositories.

Devuan will make an effort to rebuild an infrastructure similar to Debian, but will also take the opportunity to innovate some of its practices. Devuan developers look at this project as a fresh new start for a community of interested people and do not intend to enforce the vexation hierarchy and bureaucracy beyond real cases of emergency. We are well conscious this is possible for us mostly because of starting small again; we will do our best to not repeat the same mistakes and we welcome all Debian Developers willing to join us on this route.

The Devuan distribution will make an effort to improve the relationship with both upstream and downstream and, particularly in its gestational phase, will do its best to accomodate needs of those downstream distributions willing to adopt it as base. We look forward to statements of interest from such distributions, as well involvement in this planning phase.

Devuan will do its best to stay minimal and abide to the UNIX philosophy of "doing one thing and doing it well". Devuan perceives itself not as an end product, but a starting point for developers, a viable base for sysadmins and a stable tool for people who have experience of Debian. Devuan will never compromise for more efficiency at the cost of the the freedom of its users, rather than leave such concerns to the independent choices made by downstream developers.

Re: Devuan - the GNU/Linux by Veteran Unix Admins

29 stu 2014, 19:25

Prognoziram joj jako brzu propast. Živi bili pa vidili.

Re: Devuan - the GNU/Linux by Veteran Unix Admins

29 stu 2014, 21:16

Meni su najjači neki od komentara na Phoronixu:

The best thing about systemd is how entertaining it is to watch all this drama where actors are often very smart people behaving like children after 8 years of fluoridising.

Priceless


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Exactly! :-)
The init war is pretty over but the show is still on!
I'm just afraid that with the end of the display server war (Wayland vs X vs Mir) and the end of the init war, we will lose a lot of fun on the web. We need to find some good substitute...


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No worries, Canonical will fork kernel or something eventually. Show must go on!


:hihi

Re: Devuan - the GNU/Linux by Veteran Unix Admins

29 stu 2014, 21:30

Sta god bilo, biti ce zanimljivo pratiti razvoj situacije.

Re: Devuan - the GNU/Linux by Veteran Unix Admins

30 stu 2014, 03:30

Kakvi "init war". Systemd nije init već čitavi OS koji ima vlastiti integrirani dhcp server, dns keš, čak i novu integriranu tty konzolu. Razvijatelji systemd-a sami kažu da to nije samo init već "kišobran" pod koji se naguralo mnogo srodnih i nesrodnih aplikacija i servisa pod zajedničkim menom systemd.

Kako budu "third party" aplikacije sve više koristile usluge tih servisa, bit će nemoguće zbog dependencya maknuti systemd a da ne deinstaliraš praktički čitavi OS.
A pošto systemd nije GPL i ima ugrađen mehanizam za zaobilaženje GPL putem dbus poziva, tako će vremenom linux distre de facto postati LGPL, odnosno, na lak način će biti moguće privatizirati dosadašnji trud GPL razvijatelja bez potrebe za njihovom suglasnošću.

Re: Devuan - the GNU/Linux by Veteran Unix Admins

30 stu 2014, 11:20

Vidio sam da kane staviti i ifup/down pod systemd isto tako. Meni je pomalo bizarno da sve to trpaju pod systemd...

Re: Devuan - the GNU/Linux by Veteran Unix Admins

30 stu 2014, 12:51

sumnjam da će ovaj Daruvar ostvariti značajniji uspjeh

Re: Devuan - the GNU/Linux by Veteran Unix Admins

30 stu 2014, 13:15

Glavno da su ostali vjerni politici davanja glupih imena. Niti jedan FLOSS projekt ne bi smio biti bez glupog naziva. Na kraju krajeva, davanje normalnog imena je tako passe.

Re: Devuan - the GNU/Linux by Veteran Unix Admins

30 stu 2014, 15:54

da, što gluplje i teže pamtljivo ime, to bolje pface
kao onaj svirač glazbe gadajakeke ili kako se zvao pface

Re: Devuan - the GNU/Linux by Veteran Unix Admins

30 stu 2014, 18:58

Devuan is spelled in Italian and it is pronounced just like "DevOne" in English.


Mogli su jos malo zakomplicirati ime :roll:

@shrike

Biti ce to novi OS na kraju
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