Zato i jesmo s*ebani koliko jesmo jer nam je sve teško, kako ovima iz Munchena nije bilo teško, a najvjerojatnije su najbogatiji grad u Europi, kako nije firmi poput BMW-a teško raditi u multi-os okruženju i inzistiranju da svugdje gdje je moguće koriste open source, usput oni su pokrenuli inicijativu za uporabu open sourcea kao os-a u automobilima.
Što se tiče škola, pa bilo bi sigurno manje problema s linuxima, nego je sad kad su uglavnom na windowsima, pravom informatičaru sigurno to nije neki problem, a nebi trebao biti ni ovima koji predaju informatiku iako su za to samo priučeni, ne može me nitko uvjeriti da su sučelja toliko različita, i Windows i Gnome i KDE i XFCE i ... su prilično slični, a i svaki čovjek slovo A napiše različito pa opet znaš da je A. Ako će programirati editori su isto prilično jednaki i dovoljno jednostavni. Ako rade manje ozbiljne stvari poput tekstualni i tabličnih procesora, pa OOo i MS rješenja i neka druga su opet jako bliska i zahtjevaju tek minimalan trud za svladavanje. A samoj djeci posebice ako su početnici sasvim je svejedno i ako istinski nešto nauče, svejedno im je da li je bilo u Linux ili Microsoft OS-u, odnosno bit će sposobni koristiti i jedno i drugo.
Kolumna: Linux u škole! (n-ti put)
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Re: Kolumna: Linux u škole! (n-ti put)
Suko je napisao/la: To sve stoji, ali ovdje je riječ o tome da je Linux nepotrebno izostavljen iz edukacije.
Ne treba naravno, niti Windowse izbaciti jer i njih trebaju djeca znati koristiti.
Ali, ne treba forsirati samo jedno. Pogotovo u ovo vrijeme kad se nama novaca na bacanje, a Linux može sasvim dobro poslužiti za onaj nivo edukacije kakav postoji u srednjim školama.
...i osnovnim!
Re: Kolumna: Linux u škole! (n-ti put)
slazem se da treba uvesti linux u osnovne i srednje skole ali mislim da ga djeca ne bi prihvatila kao windowse............nema igara kao za windowse.mozda nebitno meni ili vama ali vjerujte da 90% ljudi , ne samo djece , vec ljudi koristi operativni sustav za igranje a kada usporedis nexuiz i mw2 dobijes sta?
a i linux prati los glas kao operativnog sustava koji je samo za freekove i kao OS koji je uzasno kompliciran za koristenje.
zahvaljujuci mintu i ljudima sa ovoga foruma ja sam zakljucio da nije kompliciran i da je cak i zanimljiviji od windowsa ali.....fali mu ono nesto sto bi ga pokazalo vecini ljudi kao OS koji moze u svemu konkurirati danas vodecem a to nije samo obrada teksta i forografija,to nije samo sigurnije surfanje to su i igre.
neka naprave igru poput modern warfare2 za linux i jos bolju,pa da vidite . nece biti potrebe da se gura linux nekome pod nos , uzet ce ga sam bez puno nagovaranja.
i sami tvrdite da je moguce savladati koristenje linuxa kroz igru pa zasto se ne napravi igra koja ce promijeniti tijek.igra koja ce staviti linux ispred windowsa , i na tome podrucju.
samo koristenje nije komplicirano ali sta ostaje djeci koja nemaju volje za radom i djecom koja ne koriste racunalo za surfanje,gledanje filmova i slusanje muzike?sta je sa djecom koja koriste racunalo za igranjem?vjerojatno vise pola njih ne zna da te iste servere na kojima igraju pokrece linux ali njima to niti nije bas toliko vazno.vazno im je da radi igra.a u linuxu ta igra ne radi.zaboravite wine oni hoce igru koja radi klikom misa na ikonu.
a sta je sa sun-om ili applom ili atariem ili amigom ili.........
u prirodi prezivi najbolji i onaj koji se najbolje prilagodi okolini a linux to trenutno nije.
nazalost....mozda je dovoljno dobar za auto OS ili OS koji koriste poslovne tvrtke ali za krajnjeg korisnika hmmmm.
ja da znam radio bih na igri koja bi preokrenula u linuxovu korist ali ......nadam se da ce se pojaviti netko poput linusa pa napraviti takjvo nesto.....
a i linux prati los glas kao operativnog sustava koji je samo za freekove i kao OS koji je uzasno kompliciran za koristenje.
zahvaljujuci mintu i ljudima sa ovoga foruma ja sam zakljucio da nije kompliciran i da je cak i zanimljiviji od windowsa ali.....fali mu ono nesto sto bi ga pokazalo vecini ljudi kao OS koji moze u svemu konkurirati danas vodecem a to nije samo obrada teksta i forografija,to nije samo sigurnije surfanje to su i igre.
neka naprave igru poput modern warfare2 za linux i jos bolju,pa da vidite . nece biti potrebe da se gura linux nekome pod nos , uzet ce ga sam bez puno nagovaranja.
i sami tvrdite da je moguce savladati koristenje linuxa kroz igru pa zasto se ne napravi igra koja ce promijeniti tijek.igra koja ce staviti linux ispred windowsa , i na tome podrucju.
samo koristenje nije komplicirano ali sta ostaje djeci koja nemaju volje za radom i djecom koja ne koriste racunalo za surfanje,gledanje filmova i slusanje muzike?sta je sa djecom koja koriste racunalo za igranjem?vjerojatno vise pola njih ne zna da te iste servere na kojima igraju pokrece linux ali njima to niti nije bas toliko vazno.vazno im je da radi igra.a u linuxu ta igra ne radi.zaboravite wine oni hoce igru koja radi klikom misa na ikonu.
Suko je napisao/la: ali ovdje je riječ o tome da je Linux nepotrebno izostavljen iz edukacije.
a sta je sa sun-om ili applom ili atariem ili amigom ili.........
u prirodi prezivi najbolji i onaj koji se najbolje prilagodi okolini a linux to trenutno nije.
nazalost....mozda je dovoljno dobar za auto OS ili OS koji koriste poslovne tvrtke ali za krajnjeg korisnika hmmmm.
ja da znam radio bih na igri koja bi preokrenula u linuxovu korist ali ......nadam se da ce se pojaviti netko poput linusa pa napraviti takjvo nesto.....
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Re: Kolumna: Linux u škole! (n-ti put)
Ma igre se neće još dugo razvijati za Linux.
Premala korisnička baza i ne isplati se razvijati jer je zarada mizerna.
A što se tiče preživljavanja najjačih, Linux je među tri najjača.
Nema jačih od ta tri.
Premala korisnička baza i ne isplati se razvijati jer je zarada mizerna.
A što se tiče preživljavanja najjačih, Linux je među tri najjača.
Nema jačih od ta tri.
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Re: Kolumna: Linux u škole! (n-ti put)
Skolelinux 5.0 / Debian-Edu 5.0.4+edu0 released!
================================================
Oslo, Hamburg, Badajoz, Tokyo, Taipeh – February 8, 2010
The Debian Edu Team is proud to take the next step in making free software
suitable for educational purposes by releasing Skolelinux 5.0!
Skolelinux is based on Debian 5.0 “Lenny”. As usual, it comes with predefined
installation profiles making it easy to set up the network, ranging from the
main server to workstations and thin clients. It is supported and used by
many regional and national projects, the most active ones being in Norway,
Germany, Spain, Denmark, Taiwan and Japan. It is available in more than 50
languages.
What’s new in Skolelinux 5.0
============================
Skolelinux is based on Debian 5.0 “Lenny” and is therefore compatible with
Linux Standard Base (LSB) 3.2. It uses kernel 2.6.26, KDE 3.5.10, and GNOME
2.22.2.
This is first Debian Edu release which has been merged with the highly
successful LinEx GNU/Linux based educational project from the region of
Extremadura in Spain. The most visible result being the GNOME desktop now
being supported in addition to KDE.
The setup of terminal servers has been improved and now supports diskless
workstations out of the box. A new customisable PXE startup menu allows users
to choose between a diskless workstation, a thin client workstation, and even
a PXE-installation of Skolelinux.
The student desktop has also been improved with shortcuts to educational
software like GCompris, Kalzium, KGeography, KMplot, KStars, Stopmotion and
the OpenOffice suite.
The documentation has been further improved and translated from English to
German, Italian and Norwegian. Incomplete translations are available for
Spanish, French and Chinese. Please consider helping by translating to your
native language or by reviewing the English original!
Browser plugin-support has been improved with free software products including
Gnash, Java and other plug-ins.
In addition to ALSA and OSS sound system, PulseAudio has been added for better
audio and multimedia performance on workstations and diskless workstations
machines.
Improved and simplified user and machine administration tool known as LWAT
(LDAP Web-based Administration Tool).
Improved machine and network surveillance now reporting status on all machines
added to the network.
Downloads
=========
To download this multiarch netinstall release you can use
http://ftp.skolelinux.org/skolelinux-cd ... du0-CD.iso
rsync -avzP ftp.skolelinux.org::skolelinux-cd/debian-edu-5.0.4+edu0-CD.iso
To download this multiarch dvd release you can use
http://ftp.skolelinux.org/skolelinux-cd ... u0-DVD.iso
rsync -avzP ftp.skolelinux.org::skolelinux-cd/debian-edu-5.0.4+edu0-DVD.iso
To download the source DVD you can use
ftp://ftp.skolelinux.org/skolelinux-cd/ ... ce-DVD.iso
(ftp, http and rsync are supported for all images.)
The MD5SUM of these images are
01e4ad9bcb36380076bfb19fa81a0465 debian-edu-5.0.4+edu0-CD.iso
ec3b592931491d50f10b8f7f38ad1da3 debian-edu-5.0.4+edu0-DVD.iso
c8253bc5d29b8a4d66378271d72a9f08 debian-edu-5.0.4+edu0-source-DVD.iso
The SHA1SUM of these images are
19041c2bb9c6a8c5ca692085379c5736522f921b debian-edu-5.0.4+edu0-CD.iso
49883e1d714ba9df805d9f1c8bdc6bb224c98e19 debian-edu-5.0.4+edu0-DVD.iso
2da737ba64797eb102596eb577958ef37119cfce debian-edu-5.0.4+edu0-source-DVD.iso
How to report bugs:
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/ ... InBugzilla
Going forward
=============
The next milestone is a pointrelease, 5.0.4+edu1, around mid-March 2010, with
updates to the documentation and its translations as well as some important
bugfixes.
The subsequent milestone of Skolelinux development introducting new major
features is aimed at releasing simultaneously with Debian Squeeze, which is
currently scheduled for the second half of 2010.
About Skolelinux
================
Skolelinux is a software solution tailored to the needs of schools and other
educational institutions. It provides a complete system, from the central
server running all the services the school needs, to the desktop software
students use in class. Skolelinux works out of the box with no tricky setup
to perform. Skolelinux provides the following:
Full support for networked thin clients, diskless workstations, and disk-based
workstations and laptops. With diskless workstations users get full PC
functionality combined with the maintenance level of thin clients. Sound,
video, USB memory sticks, and DVDs are supported. A new start up screen also
allows local installation over PXE.
Skolelinux has over 80 applications pre-installed specifically for educational
use. It is available in over 50 languages. Many new applications have been
introduced in addition to popular classics such as GCompris, KDE Edu, Firefox
(branded as Iceweasel due to Trademark restrictions) and OpenOffice.org.
You can install Skolelinux from a network install CD or from a single DVD
supporting several processor architectures (i386, AMD64 and PowerPC).
Skolelinux has low hardware requirements: a diskless workstation runs nicely
with 256 MB of RAM, local swap and a 800 MHz processor. The manual describes
a slightly more powerful recommendation for multimedia use.
Skolelinux is free software. The primary goal is to provide schools and
students with every building block of a computer system. By providing an easy
to use system, including the source code, students can study software, learn
how it is written, and create software code. We emphasize learning by doing.
Students can grow and excel by participating and sharing knowledge. The
software has no restrictions on use, copying, or learning.
Skolelinux is the result of the work of the Debian Edu project. Debian Edu is
an official part of Debian, and Skolelinux is a “Debian Pure Blend”. It is
installed at many or all of the schools in municipalities, regions and cities
throughout Europe, Asia and South America. Several regions and states run and
maintain Skolelinux centrally with commercial service providers or public
employees. Smaller installations at single schools can be maintained
part-time by a teacher with no particular training. Reports from commercial
and public installations suggest that diskless workstations require half the
maintenance costs compared to ordinary desktop alternatives.
Quotes
======
“Unlike similar projects, Skolelinux takes care of the whole school network,
not just the student computers. This makes it possible for me to deploy far
more machines in a secure and stable network, without worrying about how to
configure and maintain services, and without any tech support.” Nigel Barker,
IT co-ordinator and Chemistry teacher, Hiroshima International School.
“We will most likely be able to reach the goals of The Knowledge Promotion
Reform because of Skolelinux.”, says principal Heidi Olsen Sværd at Håvik
school in Narvik municipality.
“It is easy to maintain. We have had a few startup problems, but surprisingly
few”, Monica Larssen, IT co-ordinator/ advisor in Harstad municipality says.
Contact information and more
============================
General information about Debian-Edu or Skolelinux:
E-mail: debian-edu@lists.debian.org
Media contacts
Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
For more information about Debian-Edu/Skolelinux please see our webpage at
http://www.skolelinux.org.
Manual, most current version:
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Documentation/Lenny/
Manual, Translations:
http://maintainer.skolelinux.org/debian-edu-doc/
Release notes:
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/ReleaseNotes
http://ftp.skolelinux.org/skolelinux/le ... _love.html
A complete feature list
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Docume ... y/Features
================================================
Oslo, Hamburg, Badajoz, Tokyo, Taipeh – February 8, 2010
The Debian Edu Team is proud to take the next step in making free software
suitable for educational purposes by releasing Skolelinux 5.0!
Skolelinux is based on Debian 5.0 “Lenny”. As usual, it comes with predefined
installation profiles making it easy to set up the network, ranging from the
main server to workstations and thin clients. It is supported and used by
many regional and national projects, the most active ones being in Norway,
Germany, Spain, Denmark, Taiwan and Japan. It is available in more than 50
languages.
What’s new in Skolelinux 5.0
============================
Skolelinux is based on Debian 5.0 “Lenny” and is therefore compatible with
Linux Standard Base (LSB) 3.2. It uses kernel 2.6.26, KDE 3.5.10, and GNOME
2.22.2.
This is first Debian Edu release which has been merged with the highly
successful LinEx GNU/Linux based educational project from the region of
Extremadura in Spain. The most visible result being the GNOME desktop now
being supported in addition to KDE.
The setup of terminal servers has been improved and now supports diskless
workstations out of the box. A new customisable PXE startup menu allows users
to choose between a diskless workstation, a thin client workstation, and even
a PXE-installation of Skolelinux.
The student desktop has also been improved with shortcuts to educational
software like GCompris, Kalzium, KGeography, KMplot, KStars, Stopmotion and
the OpenOffice suite.
The documentation has been further improved and translated from English to
German, Italian and Norwegian. Incomplete translations are available for
Spanish, French and Chinese. Please consider helping by translating to your
native language or by reviewing the English original!
Browser plugin-support has been improved with free software products including
Gnash, Java and other plug-ins.
In addition to ALSA and OSS sound system, PulseAudio has been added for better
audio and multimedia performance on workstations and diskless workstations
machines.
Improved and simplified user and machine administration tool known as LWAT
(LDAP Web-based Administration Tool).
Improved machine and network surveillance now reporting status on all machines
added to the network.
Downloads
=========
To download this multiarch netinstall release you can use
http://ftp.skolelinux.org/skolelinux-cd ... du0-CD.iso
rsync -avzP ftp.skolelinux.org::skolelinux-cd/debian-edu-5.0.4+edu0-CD.iso
To download this multiarch dvd release you can use
http://ftp.skolelinux.org/skolelinux-cd ... u0-DVD.iso
rsync -avzP ftp.skolelinux.org::skolelinux-cd/debian-edu-5.0.4+edu0-DVD.iso
To download the source DVD you can use
ftp://ftp.skolelinux.org/skolelinux-cd/ ... ce-DVD.iso
(ftp, http and rsync are supported for all images.)
The MD5SUM of these images are
01e4ad9bcb36380076bfb19fa81a0465 debian-edu-5.0.4+edu0-CD.iso
ec3b592931491d50f10b8f7f38ad1da3 debian-edu-5.0.4+edu0-DVD.iso
c8253bc5d29b8a4d66378271d72a9f08 debian-edu-5.0.4+edu0-source-DVD.iso
The SHA1SUM of these images are
19041c2bb9c6a8c5ca692085379c5736522f921b debian-edu-5.0.4+edu0-CD.iso
49883e1d714ba9df805d9f1c8bdc6bb224c98e19 debian-edu-5.0.4+edu0-DVD.iso
2da737ba64797eb102596eb577958ef37119cfce debian-edu-5.0.4+edu0-source-DVD.iso
How to report bugs:
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/ ... InBugzilla
Going forward
=============
The next milestone is a pointrelease, 5.0.4+edu1, around mid-March 2010, with
updates to the documentation and its translations as well as some important
bugfixes.
The subsequent milestone of Skolelinux development introducting new major
features is aimed at releasing simultaneously with Debian Squeeze, which is
currently scheduled for the second half of 2010.
About Skolelinux
================
Skolelinux is a software solution tailored to the needs of schools and other
educational institutions. It provides a complete system, from the central
server running all the services the school needs, to the desktop software
students use in class. Skolelinux works out of the box with no tricky setup
to perform. Skolelinux provides the following:
Full support for networked thin clients, diskless workstations, and disk-based
workstations and laptops. With diskless workstations users get full PC
functionality combined with the maintenance level of thin clients. Sound,
video, USB memory sticks, and DVDs are supported. A new start up screen also
allows local installation over PXE.
Skolelinux has over 80 applications pre-installed specifically for educational
use. It is available in over 50 languages. Many new applications have been
introduced in addition to popular classics such as GCompris, KDE Edu, Firefox
(branded as Iceweasel due to Trademark restrictions) and OpenOffice.org.
You can install Skolelinux from a network install CD or from a single DVD
supporting several processor architectures (i386, AMD64 and PowerPC).
Skolelinux has low hardware requirements: a diskless workstation runs nicely
with 256 MB of RAM, local swap and a 800 MHz processor. The manual describes
a slightly more powerful recommendation for multimedia use.
Skolelinux is free software. The primary goal is to provide schools and
students with every building block of a computer system. By providing an easy
to use system, including the source code, students can study software, learn
how it is written, and create software code. We emphasize learning by doing.
Students can grow and excel by participating and sharing knowledge. The
software has no restrictions on use, copying, or learning.
Skolelinux is the result of the work of the Debian Edu project. Debian Edu is
an official part of Debian, and Skolelinux is a “Debian Pure Blend”. It is
installed at many or all of the schools in municipalities, regions and cities
throughout Europe, Asia and South America. Several regions and states run and
maintain Skolelinux centrally with commercial service providers or public
employees. Smaller installations at single schools can be maintained
part-time by a teacher with no particular training. Reports from commercial
and public installations suggest that diskless workstations require half the
maintenance costs compared to ordinary desktop alternatives.
Quotes
======
“Unlike similar projects, Skolelinux takes care of the whole school network,
not just the student computers. This makes it possible for me to deploy far
more machines in a secure and stable network, without worrying about how to
configure and maintain services, and without any tech support.” Nigel Barker,
IT co-ordinator and Chemistry teacher, Hiroshima International School.
“We will most likely be able to reach the goals of The Knowledge Promotion
Reform because of Skolelinux.”, says principal Heidi Olsen Sværd at Håvik
school in Narvik municipality.
“It is easy to maintain. We have had a few startup problems, but surprisingly
few”, Monica Larssen, IT co-ordinator/ advisor in Harstad municipality says.
Contact information and more
============================
General information about Debian-Edu or Skolelinux:
E-mail: debian-edu@lists.debian.org
Media contacts
Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
For more information about Debian-Edu/Skolelinux please see our webpage at
http://www.skolelinux.org.
Manual, most current version:
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Documentation/Lenny/
Manual, Translations:
http://maintainer.skolelinux.org/debian-edu-doc/
Release notes:
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/ReleaseNotes
http://ftp.skolelinux.org/skolelinux/le ... _love.html
A complete feature list
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Docume ... y/Features
...."Have you mooed today?"...
..It’s that time of the decade: I’m reinstalling Debian..
..It’s that time of the decade: I’m reinstalling Debian..
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fukodlak
Re: Kolumna: Linux u škole! (n-ti put)
tartaglia je napisao/la:Meni bi bilo draze da se uce stvari tipa gnuplot, latex, vi, R, gcc, make, bash ...
Ono, stvari koje nisu bas tolko trivijane kao naklikavanja po guiu. Gnome, KDE, XFCE ... znas koristit ako znas citat ne treba ti to netko objasnjavat.
ajme, nek neko zove hitnu....šmokljan on the loose!!!!