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Re: Lenny - moja iskustva, pitanja, komentari

Post Postao/la madone »

To sam već mislio pitat :) koja je razlika između apt-geta i aptitude ?

Prilikom instalacije me pitao u jednom trenutku šta želim koristiti apt-get ili aptitude.
Odabrao sam apt-get jer sam se naviknuo na njega.

Znam da je apt-get noviji alat a aptitude sam do sad samo koristio kad želim skinuti paket iz repoa.

Primjetio sam da na ubuntoidima svi koriste apt-get a na debianu dosta ljudi aptitude.
Ima neki razlog za to ?

P.S.
Sad sam išao nešto provijerit i zanimljivo aptitude prilikom instalacije paketa radi i autoremove....

Kod: Označi sve

[19:16:11]madone~ $ sudo aptitude install inkscape
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Reading extended state information... Done
Initializing package states... Done       
Writing extended state information... Done
Reading task descriptions... Done         
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  libopenrawgnome1{u} python-xlib{u} 
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 4 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 987kB will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] n
Abort.
[19:16:36]madone~ $ sudo apt-get install inkscape
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
inkscape is already the newest version.
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
  libopenrawgnome1 python-xlib
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded.
[19:16:47]madone~ $ 
Isto tako htio bih maknut sudo ali mi synaptic želi pobrisati pol paketa, recimo gnome :D
Ima neka fora pa da samo maknem sudo ?
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Re: Lenny - moja iskustva, pitanja, komentari

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madone je napisao/la:To sam već mislio pitat :) koja je razlika između apt-geta i aptitude ?
Aptitude bolje provjerava i barata ovisnostima paketa. Ja koristim oba, na Ubuntu-u, svaki ponekad.
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Re: Lenny - moja iskustva, pitanja, komentari

Post Postao/la Branimir »

glaskoncILLa je napisao/la:nazalost, a to je nesto sto ce najvjerovatnije i ostati u buducnosti, najbolji driveri su oni vlasnicki, open driveri su plod reverse engineeringa.

nv su nvidia driveri koji podrzavaju samo 2D, nouveau su driveri koji podrzavaju sve, ali jel, to je RE..

network manager, kao sto rekoh, probaj wicd, za ono sto tebi treba, mislim da ce ti biti i vise nego dobar.

aptitude install wicd
Hvala, poznat mi je od prije Wicd, pogledat ću ga, mada je ovo sobna kanta bez wifi kartice i na ruter se spajam žično tak da mi zapravo network manager nije niti potreban jer mi je DHCP dovoljan za izlaz na net...

hm ne kužim što si htio reći za Nouveau,što znači "RE" ??
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Re: Lenny - moja iskustva, pitanja, komentari

Post Postao/la jjj »

glaskoncILLa je napisao/la: za pocetak sumnjam da imas gigu updatea tjedno, pa i mjesecno, a i moj setup i tvoj setup se poprilicno razlikuju, dont you think? :)
Sure, ali za nekoga tko se sjetio drugog dijela, ovaj prvi bi morao biti sumnjiv - zadnji updejt radih 1.6, danas imam pola gigabajta updejtova. Naravno, čak i da hiperbolizirah, mjesec dana na rolling distri? Bilo bi čudno da nema gigabajt updejtova.
da ne pricam da se prvo moras ceskati pol cuke iza uha ako hoces instalirati mtr i jos nakon toga imas neke ekstravagantne ideje kao koristenje istoga. :)
Ne budi lejm, uzmi log i vidjet ćeš dvije stvari: 1) instalirah mtr neposredno nakon objašnjenja 2) trebalo ti je oko deset minuta da odgovoriš na sve što napisah, valjda te snijeg depresirao :p
Kao addenum, baš jučer koristih mtr (sjećaš se, ono kad je Ivan srušio sajt igrajući se s logom :p), i dalje mi nije jasno zašto je glup i odbija defaultirati na ncurses, no sasvim uredno radi kada mu se izravno naredi da ga koristi.
uostalom, rekao sam da je to rijetko, ne neponovljivo, mislim da se slazemo.
That was the point, nisam siguran da si u pravu - ie, rekao bih da su takve stvari uobičajene za rolling distre. Doduše, možda se varam, ipak samo Arch koristih. Možda je Sidux problematičan :p
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Re: Lenny - moja iskustva, pitanja, komentari

Post Postao/la glaskoncILLa »

2madone, aptitude je uglavnom pametniji, iako ponekad zna biti i prepametan, uvijek pregledaj sto ti ponudi jer to ne mora nuzno biti i najbolje, pogotovo ako forsas instalaciju ili si se zapetljao u rjesavanje nekih depova da ti ne zbrise nesto sto ti zbilja treba. tako da to mozes iskoristiti i kod svog problema, samo upisi no i on ce ti ponuditi drugo rjesenje. ako to ne upali, baciti cemo se na alternative, postoje, a to je jedino vazno. :)

2Branimir, mislio sam buduci da dosta pricas o network manageru da ti treba takva aplikacija.. ako ti ne treba, mozes ga i obrisati i sasvim lijepo zivjeti bez njega.. RE je reverse engineering, odnosno hackiranje, oni ne rade drivere po specifikacijama nego gledaju sto sluzbeni driver radi i onda pokusavaju napraviti da open drver radi to isto. naravno da ne mogu imati 100%totnu ucinkovitost..

2jjj, imas neki link ili ces izdvojiti par minuta da mi objasnis kako izgleda ulazak softwera u arch i update jer meni jos uvijek nije jasno kako za par dana mozes imati gigu updatea ako ti cijela instalacija ima par giga, tvoja mozda i samo jednu..
jel to uopce kompresirano?

sto se tice rollinga, pa ne znam da stalno sve radi svima, a sve i da radi, koji je postotak rollinga u masi? rekao bih rijedak.. :)

mtr, po defaultu se on dize u grafici, samo meni ne radi nikakve probleme ako ga instaliram na headless masini.. mozda da pogledas configure, pa ga prekompajlises?
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Re: Lenny - moja iskustva, pitanja, komentari

Post Postao/la madone »

Mrak !
Znači kaže da bude maknuo samo sudo
A šta mu ovo znači, moram ja tu još nešto kasnije ili da samo potvrdim
The following actions will resolve these dependencies:

Remove the following packages: ..........
i
Leave the following dependencies unresolved: ..........

Kod: Označi sve

[21:26:30]madone~ $ sudo aptitude remove sudo
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Reading extended state information... Done
Initializing package states... Done       
Writing extended state information... Done
Reading task descriptions... Done         
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  sudo 
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 4 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 590kB will be freed.
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  gksu: Depends: sudo but it is not going to be installed.
The following actions will resolve these dependencies:

      Remove the following packages:                                     
1)      fast-user-switch-applet                                          
2)      firestarter                                                      
3)      gdebi                                                            
4)      gdm                                                              
5)      gdm-themes                                                       
6)      gksu                                                             
7)      gnome                                                            
8)      gnome-codec-install                                              
9)      gnome-desktop-environment                                        
10)     gnome-netstatus-applet                                           
11)     multiboot                                                        
12)     software-properties-gtk                                          
13)     system-config-printer                                            
14)     update-manager-gnome                                             
15)     update-notifier                                                  

      Leave the following dependencies unresolved:                       
16)     gnome-applets recommends gnome-netstatus-applet                  
17)     gnome-utils recommends gksu                                      
18)     gparted recommends gksu                                          
19)     libgksu2-0 recommends sudo                                       
20)     software-center recommends update-notifier                       
21)     software-center recommends software-properties-gtk               
22)     synaptic recommends gksu | kdebase-bin                           
23)     update-manager-core recommends update-manager-gnome (= 0.200.3-2)
24)     update-notifier recommends software-properties-gtk               
25)     gnome recommends update-notifier                                 
26)     gnome recommends gdebi                                           
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Re: Lenny - moja iskustva, pitanja, komentari

Post Postao/la jjj »

glaskoncILLa je napisao/la: ako ti cijela instalacija ima par giga, tvoja mozda i samo jednu..
Polaziš od pogrešne pretpostavke - moja instalacija je poprilično velika (9.5 - 2.2 cachea = 7.3 GiB).
jel to uopce kompresirano?
Paketi? Dakako. Štoviše, nedavno su prešli na xz, pa su paketi sada još manji. No, mislio sam da pričamo o nekompresiranim podacima. Što nam znači x MiB paketa?
sto se tice rollinga, pa ne znam da stalno sve radi svima, a sve i da radi, koji je postotak rollinga u masi? rekao bih rijedak.. :)
Što uopće radi stalno i svima? :) No u pravu si, svi ostali su na šestomjesečnom release rasporedu (znam, znam, when we're ready). Zanimljivo je primjetiti da ono što dobar dio ljudi radi jest neka vrst manual rolling distribucije - pokušavaju pronaći updejtane/najnovije verzije paketa do kojih im je stalo. Zaključak ostavljam za vježbu čitateljima :)
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Re: Lenny - moja iskustva, pitanja, komentari

Post Postao/la glaskoncILLa »

madone je napisao/la:Mrak !
Znači kaže da bude maknuo samo sudo
A šta mu ovo znači, moram ja tu još nešto kasnije ili da samo potvrdim
The following actions will resolve these dependencies:

Remove the following packages: ..........
i
Leave the following dependencies unresolved: ..........

Kod: Označi sve

[21:26:30]madone~ $ sudo aptitude remove sudo
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Reading extended state information... Done
Initializing package states... Done       
Writing extended state information... Done
Reading task descriptions... Done         
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  sudo 
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 4 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 590kB will be freed.
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  gksu: Depends: sudo but it is not going to be installed.
The following actions will resolve these dependencies:

      Remove the following packages:                                     
1)      fast-user-switch-applet                                          
2)      firestarter                                                      
3)      gdebi                                                            
4)      gdm                                                              
5)      gdm-themes                                                       
6)      gksu                                                             
7)      gnome                                                            
8)      gnome-codec-install                                              
9)      gnome-desktop-environment                                        
10)     gnome-netstatus-applet                                           
11)     multiboot                                                        
12)     software-properties-gtk                                          
13)     system-config-printer                                            
14)     update-manager-gnome                                             
15)     update-notifier                                                  

      Leave the following dependencies unresolved:                       
16)     gnome-applets recommends gnome-netstatus-applet                  
17)     gnome-utils recommends gksu                                      
18)     gparted recommends gksu                                          
19)     libgksu2-0 recommends sudo                                       
20)     software-center recommends update-notifier                       
21)     software-center recommends software-properties-gtk               
22)     synaptic recommends gksu | kdebase-bin                           
23)     update-manager-core recommends update-manager-gnome (= 0.200.3-2)
24)     update-notifier recommends software-properties-gtk               
25)     gnome recommends update-notifier                                 
26)     gnome recommends gdebi                                           
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ovo isto nece biti bas sretno jer ce ti neki paketi ostati visiti.. a i koliko god puta kazes no, on ce ti uvijek ponuditi novo rjesenje dok ne ostane bez njih kada ce poceti sa vec ponudjenima.
daj probaj ovako;

Kod: Označi sve

aptitude reinstall sudo gksu 
aptitude purge sudo gksu
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Re: Lenny - moja iskustva, pitanja, komentari

Post Postao/la glaskoncILLa »

jjj je napisao/la:nesto
zapravo sam pricao o kompresiranim paketima, otkud znam (pise prelijen sam za gledati :) ) koliko toga ima kad se raspakira, ionak se 99% stvari prepise, instalacija se poveca za 20 mega..

no whatever, ionak sam vec rekao rijetko, a nisam ni pucao na opskurne.. :)
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Re: Lenny - moja iskustva, pitanja, komentari

Post Postao/la madone »

Opet isto uz mali dodatak
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
gnome-desktop-environment: Depends: gksu but it is not going to be installed.
gdebi: Depends: gksu (>= 2.0.0-1ubuntu3) but it is not going to be installed.
gnome-codec-install: Depends: gksu but it is not going to be installed.
system-config-printer: Depends: gksu but it is not going to be installed.
update-manager-gnome: Depends: gksu but it is not going to be installed.
firestarter: Depends: gksu (>= 0.8.5) but it is not going to be installed.
update-notifier: Depends: gksu but it is not going to be installed.
gdm: Depends: gksu (>= 1.0.7) but it is not going to be installed.
software-properties-gtk: Depends: gksu but it is not going to be installed.
gnome-netstatus-applet: Depends: gksu but it is not going to be installed.
multiboot: Depends: gksu but it is not going to be installed.
sve

Kod: Označi sve

$ sudo aptitude purge sudo gksu
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Reading extended state information... Done
Initializing package states... Done       
Reading task descriptions... Done  
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  gksu{p} sudo{p} 
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 6 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 766kB will be freed.
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  gnome-desktop-environment: Depends: gksu but it is not going to be installed.
  gdebi: Depends: gksu (>= 2.0.0-1ubuntu3) but it is not going to be installed.
  gnome-codec-install: Depends: gksu but it is not going to be installed.
  system-config-printer: Depends: gksu but it is not going to be installed.
  update-manager-gnome: Depends: gksu but it is not going to be installed.
  firestarter: Depends: gksu (>= 0.8.5) but it is not going to be installed.
  update-notifier: Depends: gksu but it is not going to be installed.
  gdm: Depends: gksu (>= 1.0.7) but it is not going to be installed.
  software-properties-gtk: Depends: gksu but it is not going to be installed.
  gnome-netstatus-applet: Depends: gksu but it is not going to be installed.
  multiboot: Depends: gksu but it is not going to be installed.
The following actions will resolve these dependencies:

      Remove the following packages:                                     
1)      fast-user-switch-applet                                          
2)      firestarter                                                      
3)      gdebi                                                            
4)      gdm                                                              
5)      gdm-themes                                                       
6)      gnome                                                            
7)      gnome-codec-install                                              
8)      gnome-desktop-environment                                        
9)      gnome-netstatus-applet                                           
10)     multiboot                                                        
11)     software-properties-gtk                                          
12)     system-config-printer                                            
13)     update-manager-gnome                                             
14)     update-notifier                                                  

      Leave the following dependencies unresolved:                       
15)     gnome-applets recommends gnome-netstatus-applet                  
16)     gnome-utils recommends gksu                                      
17)     gparted recommends gksu                                          
18)     libgksu2-0 recommends sudo                                       
19)     software-center recommends update-notifier                       
20)     software-center recommends software-properties-gtk               
21)     synaptic recommends gksu | kdebase-bin                           
22)     update-manager-core recommends update-manager-gnome (= 0.200.3-2)
23)     update-notifier recommends software-properties-gtk               
24)     gnome recommends update-notifier                                 
25)     gnome recommends gdebi                                           
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