README

[Staromodan]

Ako vas zanima "vel'ka plata" ili bi "jako, al' ono bas jako, jako" voljeli raditi "nesto" u informatici, ali jos uvijek nemate pojma sto, onda preskocite citanje ovog teksta i usmjerite se na znjore.

Ako ste samo znatizeljni, onda proucite osnove, pa mozda shvatite da vam to dobro ide, a ako ne ide tada cete bolje znati povrsno koristenje.

U svim zanimanjima su potrebne strucne osobe, jer nestrucne stvaraju puno stete, iako ponekad nije dobro biti pametan.



Prvo se naucite kretati koristeci CLI i pisati u "vi" programu na operativnom sustavu namijenjenom (najbolje samo za) servere. Ako ste navikli na GUI, tada prvo vjezbajte to raditi u terminalu, pa kasnije potpuno prijedjite na CLI.

Koristite EN_US raspored tipki na tipkovnici.

Ako ne znate dobro engleski, tada procitajte prevedene tekstove dok ne svladate znacenje nepoznatih pojmova, pa nastavite uciti koristeci engleski jezik.



Ako vam to bude dobro islo, tada probajte samostalno rjesavati predlozene zadatke iz knjige "The C Programming Language, second edition" koju su napisali Brian Kernighan i Dennis Ritchie.

Ako vam i to bude dobro islo, tada nastavite proucavati osnove osnova (assembler, arhitektura racunala, struktura podataka, itd.) tako da bolje shvatite kako funkcioniraju racunala, nakon cega cete znati sami odrediti kojim smjerom cete nastaviti.

[PunkBastard]

Fali dio odgovora! - greška by Cooleech
Raditi u IT-u ne znači prilagoditi se svemu kako jest, nego neke stvari i prilagoditi sebi.

[Cooleech]

Edit:
Sorry, PunkBastard.. greškom sam kliknuo Uredi umjesto Citiraj pa ti sad fali dio odgovora.

Htio citirat ovo tvoje gore i nadopisat:

Istina. Ja sam jedini na poslu koji sve radi preko linuxa, ostali su uglavnom na "desetci".. ja se samo RDP-am na servisni PC kad mi zatreba win.
Fight the power!

A što se tiče ove izjave o mijenjanju layouta tipkovnice.. PMM, tko god kaže da mu je EN/US layout bolji ili laže ili nema pojma o čemu priča. Sve je samo stvar NAVIKE.

[jurastublic]

Ja se slažem sa Staromodnim, osim tipkovnice i isključivog CLI-janja i vi-janja

[devil]

iako vozim hr layout stvarno je za nekoga ko puno visi u terminalu bitno bolje/lakse raditi sa US layoutom. vi je super. emacs je... bolji? sa evilom, ofc. sto ce reci - nemos bez vi/vim, al emacs je super, stvarno. reci "dobar je i nano" mi je malo besmisleno, al ajde. jer ne spadaju opce u istu kategoriju.

[calisto053]

Edit:
Sorry, PunkBastard.. greškom sam kliknuo Uredi umjesto Citiraj pa ti sad fali dio odgovora.

Rekli smo stotinu puta: ako piješ, ne administriraj!

[jurastublic]

vi/vim, emacs, nano

Kod: Označi sve

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  When I log into my Xenix system with my 110 baud teletype, both vi
  *and* Emacs are just too damn slow.  They print useless messages like,
  'C-h for help' and '"foo" File is read only'.  So I use the editor
  that doesn't waste my VALUABLE time.


  Ed, man!  !man ed


  ED(1)		UNIX Programmer's Manual		ED(1)


  NAME
	ed - text editor


  SYNOPSIS
	ed [ - ] [ -x ] [ name ]
  DESCRIPTION
	Ed is the standard text editor.
  ---


  Computer Scientists love ed, not just because it comes first
  alphabetically, but because it's the standard.  Everyone else loves ed
  because it's ED!


  "Ed is the standard text editor."


  And ed doesn't waste space on my Timex Sinclair.  Just look:


  -rwxr-xr-x  1 root	      24 Oct 29  1929 /bin/ed
  -rwxr-xr-t  4 root	 1310720 Jan  1  1970 /usr/ucb/vi
  -rwxr-xr-x  1 root  5.89824e37 Oct 22  1990 /usr/bin/emacs


  Of course, on the system *I* administrate, vi is symlinked to ed.
  Emacs has been replaced by a shell script which 1) Generates a syslog
  message at level LOG_EMERG; 2) reduces the user's disk quota by 100K;
  and 3) RUNS ED!!!!!!


  "Ed is the standard text editor."


  Let's look at a typical novice's session with the mighty ed:


  golem> ed


  ?
  help
  ?
  ?
  ?
  quit
  ?
  exit
  ?
  bye
  ?
  hello? 
  ?
  eat flaming death
  ?
  ^C
  ?
  ^C
  ?
  ^D
  ?


  ---
  Note the consistent user interface and error reportage.  Ed is
  generous enough to flag errors, yet prudent enough not to overwhelm
  the novice with verbosity.


  "Ed is the standard text editor."


  Ed, the greatest WYGIWYG editor of all.


  ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA!  ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED
  AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES!  ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS
  BODILY FLUIDS!!  ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR!  ED MAKES THE SUN
  SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!!


  When I use an editor, I don't want eight extra KILOBYTES of worthless
  help screens and cursor positioning code!  I just want an EDitor!!
  Not a "viitor".  Not a "emacsitor".  Those aren't even WORDS!!!! ED!
  ED! ED IS THE STANDARD!!!


  TEXT EDITOR.


  When IBM, in its ever-present omnipotence, needed to base their
  "edlin" on a UNIX standard, did they mimic vi?  No.  Emacs?  Surely
  you jest.  They chose the most karmic editor of all.  The standard.


  Ed is for those who can *remember* what they are working on.  If you
  are an idiot, you should use Emacs.  If you are an Emacs, you should
  not be vi.  If you use ED, you are on THE PATH TO REDEMPTION.  THE
  SO-CALLED "VISUAL" EDITORS HAVE BEEN PLACED HERE BY ED TO TEMPT THE
  FAITHLESS.  DO NOT GIVE IN!!!  THE MIGHTY ED HAS SPOKEN!!!

[Cooleech]

Edit:
Sorry, PunkBastard.. greškom sam kliknuo Uredi umjesto Citiraj pa ti sad fali dio odgovora.

Rekli smo stotinu puta: ako piješ, ne administriraj!

[PunkBastard]

@Cooleech np, glavni dio je ostao (Iako se sada taj odgovor čini jako bahatim ali whatever)
Također, EN_US nije loš layout koji mi dobro dođe dok programiram, ali trebaju mi dosta i naši znakovi pa si planiram napraviti svoj layout koji bi bio neki hibrid samo nikako da

[Smola]

Dosta programiram i nema šanse da ću za točku zarez i vitičaste stiskati shift ili nešto drugo.
Još samo da nekako automatiziram da mi se terminal/editore/IDE otvaraju s predodabranom en-us tipkovnicom, a browser/office/evolution s hr-hr...
Inače, sredio sam i vlastiti us-qwertz layout tako da mi je z uvijek z.